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2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:50 am
by Dave Poppons
Jeff,

For 2016 Bordeaux, I was thinking that my method for buying en primeur would be to stick with second tier pauillac like wines since the quality was so good and the prices are, I think reasonable. The three wines whose flavor profile I like are pichon baron, lynch bages and leoville poyferre. Pichon Lalande is also appealing but lacks the structure of those three wines and I don't think I will purchase it unless it would turn into the '82 over time. So, Jeff, which of these wines do you think has the most upside potential in terms of their score rising over the long term? thanks!!

Re: 2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:34 pm
by Jeff Leve
Hey Dave...It has been a while. If it is just Pauillac you're thinking of... Pichon Baron & Pichon Lalande are both potential 100 Pt wines! Pontet Canet is just a bit behind those 2 stunners. Did you read my guide to 2016 Pauillac yet? http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/201 ... ines-ever/

Re: 2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:48 pm
by Dave Poppons
Yes Jeff, I have read all of your reviews. I was also thinking about buying figeac, LMHB and am waiting on prices.

I have noticed that for these specific wines especially the Lynch, that scores tend to drift upwards in the better years. For 2016, critics have uniformly given Lynch a high score. Are they already factoring in the fact that this wine usually improves or is it just so darn good that it is starting out at a higher score? I know you can only speak for yourself and not other critics.

Do you think that the 2016 leoville poyferre might have the potential to be as good as the 2010?

Re: 2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:27 am
by Jeff Leve
2016 Lynch Bages is a very good wine. Probably one of the best wines they have ever produced. You should buy the 2016 Figeac, regardless of what it costs, as it is that good. For you, the same for La Conseillante. But it will be pricey.... That is my guess...

Re: 2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:56 pm
by Dave Poppons
Thanks for your recommendation Jeff.

Last year I went for big names. I don't think that's a bad thing but doing the same thing every year will become boring for me.

So for 2016 en primeur, I am buying the names whose fruit flavors I have enjoyed over the years.

I don't enjoy gambling but for some reason I find it really exciting to take positions in futures, but only for wines that I plan to drink or share with friends. There is something very thrilling in reading tasting notes and making a decision on what to buy without actually tasting the wine.
And if only for that reason, it is my hope that Bordeaux futures campaigns will continue.

Re: 2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:45 pm
by Dave Poppons
Figeac was out today and got some. Thought the price was pretty reasonable given consistently high scores. So with lynch, pichon baron and figeac I think that's it for now.

It is said that there is something in buying a famous name, maybe that the score will move higher or the wine will have better longevity. I don't know what you think about that Jeff.

Re: 2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:51 pm
by Jeff Leve
Dave Poppons wrote:Figeac was out today and got some. Thought the price was pretty reasonable given consistently high scores. So with lynch, pichon baron and figeac I think that's it for now.

It is said that there is something in buying a famous name, maybe that the score will move higher or the wine will have better longevity. I don't know what you think about that Jeff.
I am not sure what the question is. Are you asking if the wines will be a good investment? In the longterm, yes. But the wines you mentioned are probably at close to retail. But anything can happen. Best course of action is buy the wines you like that you want to drink and can easily afford to pop a cork without worry and you will be well set.

Re: 2016 Bordeaux purchasing theme

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:16 pm
by Dave Poppons
Oh, I just meant whether it's better to buy a wine of greater pedigree than a lesser one where both have the same rating. For example, Figeac is 200 bucks and ausone is 800 but both have the same rating. Should critics give these wines the same rating, they are saying they are the same in terms of quality. One is three hundred percent more expensive. Is that just buying the name or is there some unmeasurable extra value attached to wines of greater name that might imply greater longevity, a future higher rating or greater worth in the future? Maybe that's an unfair example as I find ausone to be a mindblowing wine but I think you know what I mean.

I would never sell any wine in my collection except to possibly buy more wine or different wine if my tastes change as I age. Or I might trade wine for other wine. But never sell to make a profit. I don't know anything about the wine business and its not my day job.