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Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:29 am
by Howard Cooper
Went to a wonderful Cos d'Estournal tasting at Ripple last night put together by my good friend Panos Kakaviatos. Panos did a wonderful job organizing the evening and even got Cos' new director, Aymeric de Gironde, to come and show the wines. Wonderful evening. Started with a new Champagne they are now making called Michel Reybier. Really nice wine. Then, we had (in order tasted), the 2008, 2006, 2004, 2005, 2003, 2002, 2000, 1996, 1995, 1989, 1985, 1982, 2012, 2010 and 2009 Cos. I loved the flight of older wines esp. the 1982. The 1989 was also fabulous, but while it was richer than the 1982 I did not find it as complete. Also, the 1989 probably needs about 5 more years while the 1982 is drinking perfectly right now. I also loved the 2005 and the 1996 - beautiful balanced wines. The 2008, 2006 and 2004 seemed promising, with the 2004 being by far the most drinkable of the three. I found the 2012, 2010 and 2009 too young to really get great handles on. I think my order of preference was 2010, 2012 and then 2009, but I would not have tremendous confidence of replicating that blind.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:13 am
by Jeff Leve
Hi Howard.... Thank you for posting these notes on the amazing vertical tasting of Chateau Cos d'Estournel. What a great tasting. In fact, I'm a little bit jealous as I love their wines. I'm surprised, but happy you liked 2005 as much as you did and that you did not kick the 2009 Cos d'Estournel out of bed.

While it's been years since I last tasted 1989 Cos d'Estournel, I've always found the 1982 Cos d'Estournel to be a bigger, more youthful, more complex and complete wine than the 1989.

Where did all the wines come from? If the chateau brought bottles, which vintages did they provide?

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:30 am
by Howard Cooper
As I understand it, the Chateau provided all the wines.

As for the 2005, in recent tastings of younger wines over the past few years, I have often liked the 2005 the best. I often also like 2001 (which we did not have last night) a good bit. I also often find that I like 1996 a lot more than 1995 if that helps.

Panos has been organizing these tastings every January in DC with a new producer each year. I was out of town for the first two of these (Domaine de Chevalier and Palmer), but have gone now to verticals of Figeac, Calon Segur, Pichon Baron and Cos. Fun time every year.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:20 am
by Jeff Leve
Howard Cooper wrote:As I understand it, the Chateau provided all the wines.

As for the 2005, in recent tastings of younger wines over the past few years, I have often liked the 2005 the best.
I might agree with you for 2005 and younger. But for me, 2009 Cos d'Estournel is an extraordinary wine in every sense of the word.

I also often find that I like 1996 a lot more than 1995 if that helps.

I agree with you. 1996 Cos d'Estournel is much better wine than 1995. In fact, I sold my my remaining bottles of 1995 and kept my 1996.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:32 am
by Howard Cooper
Jeff Leve wrote:[
As for the 2005, in recent tastings of younger wines over the past few years, I have often liked the 2005 the best.
I might agree with you for 2005 and younger. But for me, 2009 Cos d'Estournel is an extraordinary wine in every sense of the word.

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I did not see that last night. And, it seemed like most of the people around me preferred the 2010 to the 2009.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:49 am
by Jeff Leve
Both vintages are really strong. I think these 2 vintages really come down to a matter of style for Cos d'Estournel. 2010 is beefier, more tannic and structured with a lot more acidity. 2009 is silkier, more exotic and opulent. The 2009 Cos d'Estournel has more density, the fruit is riper, sweeter and shows a unique character that is not felt or tasted in other wines. I bought 2009 COS, but did not buy 2010 for those reasons.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:03 pm
by Howard Cooper
Basically, you bought the 2009 over the 2010 because you like wines with low acid.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:26 am
by Jeff Leve
Not in this case. Although acidity plays a role. It's a preference for the opulent textures as both vintages have a lot of acidity, as well as tannin and extract. There is a hardness to the 2010 Cos d'Estournel that is not present in the 2009.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:12 am
by Howard Cooper
Frankly, I have trouble believing that either the 2009 or the 2010 will ever have the beautiful balance of either the 2005 or the 1996.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:49 am
by Jeff Leve
Howard Cooper wrote:Frankly, I have trouble believing that either the 2009 or the 2010 will ever have the beautiful balance of either the 2005 or the 1996.


Both vintages are more similar to 2005. 1996 is a poor comparison, different owners, vineyard management, wine making and yields.

If you tasted 2005 Cos d'Estournel young, what did you think of it?

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:55 pm
by laurent gibet
Cos d'Estournel verticale 2001/1929 : http://www.invinoveritastoulouse.fr/ind ... 001-a-1929

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:58 pm
by Howard Cooper
Jeff Leve wrote:
Howard Cooper wrote:Frankly, I have trouble believing that either the 2009 or the 2010 will ever have the beautiful balance of either the 2005 or the 1996.


Both vintages are more similar to 2005. 1996 is a poor comparison, different owners, vineyard management, wine making and yields.

If you tasted 2005 Cos d'Estournel young, what did you think of it?
This was the first time I had it.

Re: Cos d'Estournal vertical

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:33 am
by Howard Cooper
For another view on the tasting. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... story.html

Note that there seems to have been some inconsistencies on bottles of the 1982 and 1985, at least and that I think he had different bottles of each from me. Panos has told me there was bottle variations on these wines.