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Howard Cooper
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Leoville night

Post by Howard Cooper » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:17 am

Had 4 Leovilles on Saturday night among other wines.

We had a 1970 Leoville Poyferre. I have always liked this wine, but have not had it since the early 1980s. Still holding up nicely. I love mature wines that are not over the hill.

The other three wines were getting mature. Each of the 1982 Leoville Barton, 1986 Leoville las Cases and 1990 Leoville las Cases started out a bit young and tannic but opened up during the course of dinner. I would say that the 1990 was the most opulent, the 1986 was the most powerful and the 1982 was the best balanced. All outstanding wines.

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Re: Leoville night

Post by laurent gibet » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:21 pm

I had a tremendous Las Cases 1990 a few years ago (19/20).

Same very high level for my best encounters with Palmer 1990 and Margaux 1990.

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Re: Leoville night

Post by Howard Cooper » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:01 pm

laurent gibet wrote:I had a tremendous Las Cases 1990 a few years ago (19/20).

Same very high level for my best encounters with Palmer 1990 and Margaux 1990.
I have had a number of excellent 1990s. So far, my favorites have been Cheval Blanc and Lafite. But, the LLC and Margaux are outstanding also. Have not had the 90 Palmer.

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Re: Leoville night

Post by Jeff Leve » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:35 pm

Thanks for posting Howard. I am not a fan of any of the 3 Leovilles from the 70's. For me, there is no stuffing. I find 82 Leoville Barton to be rock hard, with zero charm. On the other hand, those vintages of Leoville Las Cases you tasted are First Growth in quality. They can offer incredible tasting experiences. They are complex, classy and age worthy.

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Re: Leoville night

Post by Howard Cooper » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:26 am

Jeff Leve wrote:Thanks for posting Howard. I am not a fan of any of the 3 Leovilles from the 70's. For me, there is no stuffing. I find 82 Leoville Barton to be rock hard, with zero charm. On the other hand, those vintages of Leoville Las Cases you tasted are First Growth in quality. They can offer incredible tasting experiences. They are complex, classy and age worthy.
When was the last time you had the 1982 Barton?

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Re: Leoville night

Post by Jeff Leve » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:17 am

I had it last, or at least I wrote a tasting note for 1982 Leoville Barton last in 2011. I have a funny story for you about that bottle. I was at a friends home and we were discussing 82 Leoville Barton. He asked me what I thought of it and I told him what I wrote to you. Unbeknownst to me, he then went to his cellar, decanted a bottle and later that night served it double blind to me. I had no idea what it was, but I said it was an older Bordeaux that was incredibly hard and pleasureless. He then pulled out the 82 Leoville Barton from the bag. We laughed and he knew I was a very consistent taster.

For me, until 2003, the wines of Leoville Barton have always had a hard tannic side to them. They have really softened their tannins theses days. More selection and picking riper fruit has really helped improve their wines.

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Re: Leoville night

Post by Howard Cooper » Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:57 pm

My guess is you will never like the 82 Barton. It has opened up a lot since 2011 (and probably will open more) but it will never be the type of opulent wine you like.

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