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Francois Audouze
03-06-2011, 04:25 PM
Aging of Guigal

Yesterday I had a dinner with my son, and I opened two halves of 1926 Léoville Barton.
They were a little tired, so in the middle of the meal, I wanted to drink something more lively.

And I took in the cellar which is rather cold a la Landonne Guigal 1984.

Even if warming the glass with my hands, the wine appeared closed, shut, dull, with no real expression.
I drank it with no pleasure.

The ranking of the wines of the dinner was : 1 - Cristal Roederer 1990, 2 - Lafite 1969 in half (surprisingly good), 3 - the best half of 1926 Léoville Barton, 4 - La Landonne Guigal 1984, 5 - the lesser half of 1926 Léoville Barton.

During the night, I wondered : Do the Guigal Lalas need to be drunk in their youth ?
And I was ready to say yes.

But the day after, we drank the last 40% of the bottle. And the wine was completely transformed. It has power, presence, weight, deepness, and filled the mouth with an extreme pleasure.

With my son we looked at each other, and we were happy.

So, such wines require massive oxygen.

But anyway, the question remains. I have just bought 6 Mouline 1973. I need to try one to see if the Guigal's which I adore in their youth, are able to age as Bordeaux and Burgundies do.

Christer Byklum
03-07-2011, 02:56 AM
I've never tried old La,la,la, but I find the ones from the late 90's are beautifull now. The oldest Guigal I've tried was a 78 Côte du Rhône, but it lacked fruit (hardly a surprise) But drinkable.....

Jeff Leve
03-07-2011, 12:45 PM
Francois... In my opinion, Guigal produces the longest lived wines from Cote Roite. As for how long they live, for me, it depends on the vintage. 78, 85 & 88 are still fresh and vibrant, as are the wines form 91 forward. But other less concentrated years has started to fade to me. La Landonne is the wine that will age the best. I am going to open on of my 91's this weekend to celebrate someones birthday.

Keith Prothero
03-08-2011, 02:15 AM
I only like Guigal La La with at least 20 years bottle age and ideally a lot more. Mind you I would state the same for many fine wines,from all over the world.

Alex Stone
03-09-2011, 01:16 PM
Keith and Francois, I have never tasted an older Cote Rotie. What are they like with that much age?

Hamish Wakes-Miller
03-09-2011, 01:23 PM
The Cote Rotie La Landonne 1983 from Etienne Guigal was one of the finest wines I have ever tasted.
Francois ....I was pleased to hear that you enjoyed the 1969 Lafite Rothschild. I opened a bottle of '69 Lafite alongside a Lynch Bages '69 and a Mas Amiel Maury '69 to celebrate my 40th Birthday 15 months ago. To my absolute horror the Lafite was corked! ....The Lynch Bages was holding up OK.....but the absolute nectar was the Mas Amiel Maury.

Keith Prothero
03-10-2011, 05:30 AM
Keith and Francois, I have never tasted an older Cote Rotie. What are they like with that much age?

Just far more complex and subtle. the oak has had chance to integrate and the wine is just wonderful.
In my opinion,most if not all fine red wine,is drunk far too young.The average age of bottles in my cellar is over 20 years!

Marc Breitenmoser
03-15-2011, 11:39 PM
Great to read you here François. Most interesting topics as usual!

Francois Audouze
03-16-2011, 04:57 AM
Great to see you here.
You know, I go very often at "Percée du Vin Jaune", and I buy many old Chateau Chalon.
We should meet again.

Marc Breitenmoser
03-16-2011, 09:31 AM
When the news hit about the auction this year, my first thought was: "François scored an amazing bottle yet again" Someone then sent me a link to the account of the event from your perspective. It was as if I was there. So captivating! It was an honour to have been able to tag along with you there a couple of years ago. I also plan on attending a wine dinner with my daughter in the not too distant future.

Maureen Downey
03-16-2011, 03:01 PM
Francois - I enjoyed a perfectly stored 1978 La Mouline last week. It was youthful, vibrant and singing. As you noted, it gained power with time in the glass.
La Mouline is the most feminine and ages much like a burg - IMHO.
Cheers,
Maureen

Ron Bartlett
03-16-2011, 08:17 PM
Francois-----thanks for the observations on another group of old wines. I would love to have tasted that '26 Barton.

Ron Bartlett
03-16-2011, 08:18 PM
Great to read you here François. Most interesting topics as usual!

Agreed!

david shaw
03-23-2011, 08:25 AM
I would put the question to Philippe himself or Dad. I have just sent him the message.